Comments on: If a Lady’s Head is Uncovered, is she Modest?

By: Lady Abigail

Lady Abigail — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:32:55 +0000

I’ve been torn on the subject of headcoverings for years. Both sides make sense to me. Since hair is considered something that can be sensual to a man, perhaps we should cover it. And it does show that a woman wants to be modest and submissive when she’s wearing a head covering.

#Feb2011NCARating

By: MInTheGap

MInTheGap — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:48:13 +0000

I’m not sure I understand your credentials for being an expert on what is and is not "luring to men." Being one myself, I can tell you that different men find different things attractive, and I can also tell you that there are more men that have comments about hair length, color, etc. than you would believe!

By: Emily

Emily — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:04:35 +0000

I agree with Heather. Hair isn’t particularly luring to men, and if it does “tempt” them that is their fault. Women shouldn’t be forced to cover their heads for men who can’t control themselves.

By: Heather

Heather — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:44:47 +0000

I feel that my hair is my own, and I should cover it only if I want to. If men lust for me because of it, that is their own fault and they’re problem to deal with. What I choose to do with my hair is my own decision. I consider myself in no way immoral or indecent, I just don’t take kindly to being categorized.

By: z.zakiah

z.zakiah — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:54:53 +0000

Wow the statment of Calvin is scary! Was he a believer? Where did you get/found this extract?

By: MInTheGap

MInTheGap — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:22:19 +0000

Anne, this site puts any post that has more than one link in it into moderation, so that’s why some of your submissions were not getting through. I’m sorry for any frustration it may have caused.

By: Mommajo

Mommajo — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:12:47 +0000

Thanks a ton Anne!!!! Mommajos last blog post..From the mountain to the valley ... God is faithful.

By: anne

anne — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:28:50 +0000

Mommajo, I found a LOT. I was surprised!
http://www.prayercoverings.com
http://www.glamdoily.com
http://www.headcovers.com (LOTS of cute hats)
http://www.modestworld.com
http://www.coveryourhair.com
http://www.liliesapparel.com
http://www.headcoverings.com
http://www.mennoniteheadcovering.com
http://www.distinctiveheadcovering.com
ebay (believe it or not :))

I hope this helps!!! I was looking at some of these websites and marveling at the huge variety and styles! sorry if this wasn’t the best place to post but I didn’t know where else to put them for you. God bless! ~Anne

By: anne

anne — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:02:30 +0000

Mommajo,
I actually don’t buy them but get a friend to make them. They’re very simple and white. (I have no problem with black or other colors, I just prefer white because it’s a color that speak of purity, surrender, and radiance.)
I haven’t the time right now but I will try to find some websites and some information of places where you can purchase different kinds of headcoverings.
When/If I do, I will put them here on this post for you. Sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner. :( Have a lovely evening! ~Anne

By: Mommajo

Mommajo — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:14:00 +0000

Anne, Thanks so much for your input and sharing your convictions on this topic. This has been a new conviction for me, not something I was taught growing up, so I really appreciate hearing others share. Like you said, it was me reading the scripture and the Holy Spirit convicting me personally. May I ask where you purchase your headcoverings? Thanks! MintheGap.. I agree with your train of thought. Mommajos last blog post..Headcovering... putting feet to my convictions

By: anne

anne — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:26:32 +0000

I think you are right MIntheGap. MOST girls DON’T grow up being taught to wear a head covering. That’s one reason why I said I don’t think it’s a matter of Salvation. How can you know to wear one if you’ve never heard of it???
So, yes I agree with you.

By: MInTheGap

MInTheGap — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:54:18 +0000

Interesting… Let me run with your comment for a minute– we all know that as we sin more, and get further from God, the easier it is to sin. For the believe, we can even sear our conscience to the point that what we once believe was wrong is no longer wrong. So… Not wearing a head covering could be a part of falling away in terms of dress.

The first problem with the theory is that I don’t believe that most girls grow up believing it to be wrong not to wear a head covering– so they would have no reference from which to deviate. Nor would I expect that it would be a natural thing to think “Oh, I have this feeling I should wear a hat” apart from Scripture.

However, to counter the thought, if a person were reading the Scripture and saw that they should wear a head covering and then chose not to, I could see where that could erode that person or the family’s view of the authority of Scripture– and that could lead to more sin.

Interesting…

By: anne

anne — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:53:18 +0000

I have always been taught that a Christian woman should cover her head, according to the commands of Scripture. Now, there are no specifications in I Cor. 11 as to what is this veiling/covering should literally look like. That is why I don’t think it is right to make rules that you have to wear a certain kind. I wear a white, hanging veil (covers part of the top of my head and hangs to my hairline at top of my neck.) By no means do I think everyone has to wear one like I do. In fact, we have several different types of veilings/coverings within our church.
As I said before, this is something I’ve always been taught. But, that is NOT (the sole reason)why I wear a veiling. It is because of my own conviction, and in obedience to God.
I do NOT see it as an issue of Salvation. God leads different people to different places. We must each be faithful in following Him as He leads!

By: Mommajo

Mommajo — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:48:30 +0000

I do agree that is much more of a headship issue than a modesty issue (and that could be a whole other topic in today's culture!) I found the quote by Calvin so compelling because it seemed the two are tied somehow. I wonder do we only feel so at liberty to begin uncovering our bodies because we have stepped out of the God ordained line of order... we don't know our place? I don't know if I'm making sense! :) I'm glad this has made everyone think and I've appreciated reading all the feedback! Mommajos last blog post..Headcovering... putting feet to my convictions

By: MInTheGap

MInTheGap — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:46:38 +0000

I think you’re right in tracing it back to the fall, but if you think about it, Eve was naked and not immodest in the beginning! :)

Seriously, I think the discussion of head-coverings is pertinent simply because what we see on the outside is a reflection of what is on the inside. A woman that wants to be seen dresses accordingly. A woman that wants to be humble or submit does for the same reason.

In reality, the head-covering and modest dress are beautiful in that they reflect a heart eager to please God and their husband/father.

By: MInTheGap

MInTheGap — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:35 +0000

I’m bringing this back up again in my Monday series, but you’re right, it is a headship issue– but I believe it’s also attached to modesty because modesty and humility are attached. Submission, modest, humility and purity all travel together– so the question is relevant because modest is about covering. Just as the question of long hair is relevant, covered hair is relevant.

If you look at the quote from Calvin in the post, he linked head covering with the possibility of it being a slippery slope– leading to what we see today. I find that analysis interesting.

By: ErinL

ErinL — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:16:25 +0000

I think the root command here is to show submission to your husband (for the ladies), since the covering is to be a sign of that submission.
I’ve been friends with those who covered, as well as considered it for a time. My dad put his foot down (I was unmarried and living at home) and to disobey him would have kind-of defeated the purpose, especially for my mother to have done it. I highly respect those who cover and keep a humble attitude, because I know they are doing exactly what they feel God is calling them to do and yet they understand that my husband (or father as the case may be) is at a different place.
As far as this relates to the modesty issue…I think a woman can be modest even if her head is uncovered. I think the start of the downward spiral in immodest dress probably would ultimatly have to be taken back to the Fall since I think it is yet another way of showing our sinful behavior. However, while I think Calvin makes an interesting point (one I never would have thought of, but it’s excellent!), I think women beginning to show their ankles or showing acres of the chest area (in several different eras of dress) could also be in part to blame for the (lack of) clothing we see today. Now, don’t get me wrong…I don’t think it’s immodest to show your ankles! But it is all a matter of pushing society’s boundries (this time, in a bad way)…
Ok…that is kind of a post in and of itself! Sorry for the length. I’ve been mulling this over and just now am writing it all out. :-D You can wake up now..I’m done “talking”.

By: anne

anne — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:14:58 +0000

Ok, I’m back. Yeah I would think culture would have something to do with it. By the way, I wasn’t being judgmental of Mennonites. I try not to stereotype people. I know a lot of them have a heart’s desire to follow the Scripture in this area!
One of the reasons I found this post so interesting is because I have always thought of the veiling as a headship issue rather than a modesty issue. Also because of verse 5 of I Cor. 11. “But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.” So it’s also a prayer veiling. (Pray without ceasing. I Thess. 5:16)
Thanks for all the feed back I love discussing this!

By: MInTheGap

MInTheGap — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:57:22 +0000

Definitely, Anne. That crosses the line into legalism. Personally, I wonder if we really could find out what would be considered a good head covering from Biblical standards. I mean, what if it’s not a hat, but is more like a turban? Could what the covering is be determined by culture? What is the root command here– if there is one?

By: anne

anne — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:18:30 +0000

hey everyone, thanks for discussing my questions. i know where i stand on this issue…but i was curious to find out what people would answer to my questions. i agree with you, MintheGap, on what you said about the “white cap” that some Mennonites wear. i know a lot of them wear it because it’s a requirement of the church, “tradition”, or it’s just something they’ve always done. to me those are all the “wrong” reasons for wearing some kind of veiling/covering.
(gotta go…..finish comment later.)